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Post by damonandbonnie on Oct 15, 2015 23:46:44 GMT -5
This episode was definitely a lot slower than the last one. Some Bamon scenes would have been nice but I loved their phone call. (:
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Post by nat on Oct 16, 2015 0:26:36 GMT -5
Enjoyed the episode! There was more Bonnie in this episode and she was doing magic, interacting with the cast more, having more chemistry on the phone with Damon than any other interaction all night and she is so ready to kick Heretic butt right now!
It's crazy how much I enjoyed this episode when I was so worried that 7x03 and 7x05 were going to be the only good episodes from the spoilers.
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Post by BdotBennett on Oct 16, 2015 1:44:51 GMT -5
I felt the same. I think a lot of that has to do with Elena being gone and Delena no longer an unwanted pull from the plot. This is the second episode this season that I sat and watched it all the way through. Without muteing or fast forwarding it. That's a good sign.
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Post by ducky8abug on Oct 16, 2015 3:50:28 GMT -5
I enjoyed the conversation between Bonnie and Damon on the phone. I enjoyed Damon's insistence that Bonnie was not at fault for Malcolm's death and how exasperated he was after she fell back on this habit of blaming herself. He was so done with Bonnie blaming herself for every bad thing that happened in Mystic Fall and rightly took responsibility for what happened, the previous night. That was a nice touch, and it showed more character growth in three seconds than in the six years he's been pitched as the lead. I also enjoyed Damon's interaction with Lily. By not revealing Bonnie's part in Malcolm's death (in which she played bait to a proverbial shark), Damon, unwittingly, revealed his vulnerability. He didn't tell Lily that Bonnie helped him, and by not revealing that information, he essentially told his mother that hurting her would be the equivalent of hurting him. Lily took all of Damon and Stefan's "toys/trophies" away, thinking Elena and Caroline were enough to punish her sons for her "symbolic son's" death but as of now, she's unaware of the effect Bonnie has on him and he used her ignorance to his advantage; not only to protect Bonnie but also to protect himself. Damon keeps his feelings for Bonnie, on the (serious) down-low. I also felt the flash-forward of Caroline as a powerful executive on a broadcast show, on the outs with Stefan...was very interesting. After all the spoilers of what we were told to expect, as Bamon fans, it felt good to know that not everything is what it seems. It gave me hope for Bamon, not that I ever lost it; and I loved Bonnie and Matt's scenes tonight. I'm conflicted, however, about Beau's characterization as a black heretic. I didn't appreciate him being a "stoic" mute or him used solely as a chaperon for Lily and the other female heretics. I also found it difficult to watch the episode during moments in which Elena was mentioned. I very nearly changed the channel during the crypt portion of the episode; and although Alaric's request for Bonnie's help and Bonnie's altruistic concern for Alaric's well-being irritated me, I did find the clip where Alaric animates the corpse of the curious hiker, very intriguing and creepy. Overall, it was a solid episode. I enjoyed it!
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Post by brookcty on Oct 16, 2015 7:40:21 GMT -5
I thought the episode was OK, some parts had me interested but something was missing. I was watching kinda bored then boom the Bamon phone call happened. Then I was like, bingo Bamon is missing lol. That one phone call scene was awesome. Only Bamon can have so much chemistry through a phone, my babies.
I read a review by the AVI(or whatever) Club and I kinda agreed that the episode felt familiar but not in a good way (sorry Brian). Maybe its the fact that keeping Elena so wrapped in the storyline is stopping the story from moving forward. Jesus how many times can one girl be kidnapped, we get it...story of her life. The Heretics are just not scary to me, especially with this whole "we are family" bull crap. I rather see conflict between them and their leader lily. I want them rebellious and fucking shit up. But I guess that's the old school vampire fan in me, I mean Vampires can be loyal but also cunning and conniving at the same time. Give me some hidden agendas TVD.
Well, I'm ready for the Bamon road trip. Wish we didn't have a teacher chaperon but wateve. Does anyone think Bonnie can be the hunter? I got shut down about it but what can be the consequence of Alaric not destroying the stone that Bonnie is obviously connected to.
Oh and Lmao at Caroline not being with Stefan in the future. Im just glad Bamon fans are not the only one in the boat of the 3 year time jump of shipper doom.
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Post by bamons7 on Oct 16, 2015 9:38:02 GMT -5
I read a review by the AVI(or whatever) Club and I kinda agreed that the episode felt familiar but not in a good way (sorry Brian). Maybe its the fact that keeping Elena so wrapped in the storyline is stopping the story from moving forward. Jesus how many times can one girl be kidnapped, we get it...story of her life. The Heretics are just not scary to me, especially with this whole "we are family" bull crap. I rather see conflict between them and their leader lily. I want them rebellious and fucking shit up. But I guess that's the old school vampire fan in me, I mean Vampires can be loyal but also cunning and conniving at the same time. Give me some hidden agendas TVD. Ok gathered my thoughts some lol. I agree that the heretics feel too familiar. They go on and on about how different they are but they act just like every other villain. Especially the Original family. I think about similar shows like True Blood, Buffy, and Teen Wolf and the main difference is the way the villains are written. There's a build up to them in every season and there's never a point where the protags can kill one of the antagonists and just laugh about it while the antagonist frowns. Are they vampires? Why can't they think for themselves they aren't children? No one is plotting to take over the group? Nothing? They aren't scary because we know that no one is in any real danger. 1) they are all alive in the future 2) they kidnapped Caroline and gave her some papercuts. We've been here before and it wasn't good the first time. What is working for me so far is the mysterious hunter. And on that note I hope they learn to stop revealing all their cards so soon. It's like they are afraid to flesh things out. They ended Bamon in the prison world arc much too soon. They revealed Kai's motives much too soon etc. Let things simmer people. Like Katherine in s1. Other than the heretics plot I likes the episode a lot. I like Ric and the pheonix stone. That's new and I've been dying for more witchy things on here. And of course Bamon was great. It's so natural.
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Post by brookcty on Oct 16, 2015 16:39:08 GMT -5
I agree that the heretics feel too familiar. They go on and on about how different they are but they act just like every other villain. Especially the Original family. I think about similar shows like True Blood, Buffy, and Teen Wolf and the main difference is the way the villains are written. There's a build up to them in every season and there's never a point where the protags can kill one of the antagonists and just laugh about it while the antagonist frowns. Are they vampires? Why can't they think for themselves they aren't children? No one is plotting to take over the group? Nothing? They aren't scary because we know that no one is in any real danger. 1) they are all alive in the future 2) they kidnapped Caroline and gave her some papercuts. We've been here before and it wasn't good the first time. What is working for me so far is the mysterious hunter. And on that note I hope they learn to stop revealing all their cards so soon. It's like they are afraid to flesh things out. They ended Bamon in the prison world arc much too soon. They revealed Kai's motives much too soon etc. Let things simmer people. Like Katherine in s1. Other than the heretics plot I likes the episode a lot. I like Ric and the pheonix stone. That's new and I've been dying for more witchy things on here. And of course Bamon was great. It's so natural. Yes, I couldn't agree more. The way TVD writes villains don't work for me. Its like its impossible for them to create a big bad that will stay a big bad. True Blood is a great example of vampires that are cut throat and are pretty much layered with several different agendas. But of course the first agenda is always to have the most power. I don't get that from the heretics. I agree 100% that Bamon left the prison world too soon. TVD struck gold with that storyline but once Nina decided to leave, it was fan service central. Welp all we can hope for is more Bonnie witching it up and lots & lots of Bamon scenes because they are just about the only thing authentic about the show. Why does the chemistry between them have to be so good.
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Post by calminfl on Oct 16, 2015 18:54:44 GMT -5
For the most part I liked and enjoyed the episode. There were a few parts I was bored or didn't care about. I am so sick and tired of hearing Elena's name to be honest.
Loved Bamon's phone call. I love how Damon is protecting her and making sure she don't blame herself for what is happening. I loved seeing more Bonnie and her doing magic. I hope we see more of that. I also want to know what it all means that she keeps getting those images.
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Post by bonniebird4damon on Oct 16, 2015 21:15:24 GMT -5
Omg!!! I LOVE THID EPISODE THE PHONE CALL. THE COVERRING. a lot of it even in short time. But the talk they have,the deep meaning in the conversation, the hidden emo that each other cant see. Bamon trust each other. I remember the plan. He did have high trust to our bonnie to let her lead after she said she wanted to fight. As always, their deep bond that bonding before 1994 case getting increase and blooming into more deeper. He did have feelings for bonbon. But never analyse it. Never digging it more. Cuz their brain worked for another logic. "Im Elena boyfriends"/ "its my fault Elena in the coffin". The fact Damon said itself to Stefen about 2 guy..bla..bla..*cant remember* he did cooking something between bonbon n elena. I wonder will they make him realise he just ate his own words...again?
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Post by hurricanehalsey on Oct 16, 2015 22:44:17 GMT -5
The season premier was obviously more entertaining to me because Bamon, but I like that we're slowly being shown more about the Heretics. I have a feeling Valerie is the most dangerous amongst all of them. I'm excited for Bonnie's story because she seems to now have some connection with the stone or maybe those visions she got were a one time thing--either way it was interesting. Maybe we'll get bonnie using dark magic. I've seen a few posts speculating that she might be the hunter. I think that would be cool. Also, I may be rooting for Lily to hide Elena's casket, possibly destroy it. I know we see it in the flash forward, but I can dream. It's one thing to bring up Elena in passing, but to try and still make her a central focus is tired. Hopefully it's short-lived.
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Post by damonandbonnie on Oct 17, 2015 15:23:32 GMT -5
I kinda like Mary Louise and Nora so far. I can't stand Valerie though.
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Post by staytravelin on Oct 17, 2015 17:15:31 GMT -5
I think it was a good, solid episode, and am impressed because it held my attention for the entire hour. I'm really looking forward to a time when Elena's name is not invoked as motivation for any and everything. It's time for the writers to stop pandering, and lose this one-dimensional "For Elena" obsession on the part of the Scoobies. Not having her there opens the door for so much improvement in the writing and character development/interactions, and I, for one, am ready for it.
Gotta say, I was Team Heretics when Lily jacked the coffin. That's about the only time, though. She really sounds like she was a horrible mother even before she was turned. Maybe her crappy parenting and disinterest in her kids is something that got intensified when she turned, but she was not a candidate for Mother of the Year before that. Lilenzo looks like it's on the horizon. ?? Enzo as Defan's stepfather-figure? Lmaooooo! That should be interesting to watch.
I think Gabi hit the nail on the head--the flash forwards are not indicative of where our merry gang will end up. i'm really interested in finding out how SC went from lovey-dovey to "I don't want to hear the name Stefan Salvatore ever again." I really don't think I want Bonnie to be the huntress. It seemed like whatever was going on with that stone has the potential to "possess" her, in a manner of speaking. Not here for that at all. I need her to have control of her actions and motivations in all things, at all times. I'm still annoyed at Damon's voluntary desiccation and am ready to get to the bottom of his motivation for doing that.
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Post by damonandbonnie on Oct 17, 2015 20:33:22 GMT -5
I think it was a good, solid episode, and am impressed because it held my attention for the entire hour. I'm really looking forward to a time when Elena's name is not invoked as motivation for any and everything. It's time for the writers to stop pandering, and lose this one-dimensional "For Elena" obsession on the part of the Scoobies. Not having her there opens the door for so much improvement in the writing and character development/interactions, and I, for one, am ready for it. Gotta say, I was Team Heretics when Lily jacked the coffin. That's about the only time, though. She really sounds like she was a horrible mother even before she was turned. Maybe her crappy parenting and disinterest in her kids is something that got intensified when she turned, but she was not a candidate for Mother of the Year before that. Lilenzo looks like it's on the horizon. ?? Enzo as Defan's stepfather-figure? Lmaooooo! That should be interesting to watch. I think Gabi hit the nail on the head--the flash forwards are not indicative of where our merry gang will end up. i'm really interested in finding out how SC went from lovey-dovey to "I don't want to hear the name Stefan Salvatore ever again." I really don't think I want Bonnie to be the huntress. It seemed like whatever was going on with that stone has the potential to "possess" her, in a manner of speaking. Not here for that at all. I need her to have control of her actions and motivations in all things, at all times. I'm still annoyed at Damon's voluntary desiccation and am ready to get to the bottom of his motivation for doing that. Yeah, I don't think Bonnie's the huntress. The mute heretic has the same scar as future Stefan, so it must be someone we haven't met yet.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Oct 17, 2015 22:03:30 GMT -5
I'm looking forward into seeing who the real big bad will be that Damon and Bonnie have to face. There was a spoiler way back before the show aired, during the hiatus that mentioned that Lilly and the Heretics were not the seasons big bad, that this person would at some point put in an appearance. There are supposed to be two male characters that have not put in an appearance yet, I only recall the name of one of them, and it was Julian. So it looks like Damon and Bonnie have someone even worse then Lilly and the Heretics to deal with.
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Post by beangelic1000 on Oct 17, 2015 22:10:24 GMT -5
With the exception of hearing Elena's name used once again as a plot device, this was a good episode, but stand out scene stealer for me was the Bamon phone call, and the way Damon protected Bonnie. Looking forward to see whether Bonnie will continue to have visions or will they go once the mystery of the stone is revealed.
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